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You may well have heard of the proposed merger of Adobe and Macromedia. If you haven’t you have now. It’s not a cut and dried decision yet as it has to have shareholder approval which may or may not be forthcoming. In some ways this merger may be a good thing, pooling development resources and the like to produce even better products. On the other hand, as any Mac-user will no doubt tell you, Adobe is currently having a big spat with Apple which has resulted in some of their newer product lines being PC only. If this trend continued after the merger, if it goes ahead, we could end up with yet another large software company who, in much the same vein as the demon Microsoft, tries to dictate to it’s user-base what they can or can’t do with their own computer systems.

One day these companies will realise that, not only might such restrictions on usage be illegal, they are also totally unethical. Of course we all know that big business and ethics are not things to mentioned in the same sentence as I’ve just done.

I have a proposal. I was going to suggest that the whole world stop buying computers for 12 months. Let’s be honest. You aren’t going to die without a computer! If you already have one you can make it last another 12 months quite easily. Yes, I know the graphics aren’t the bees knees and maybe you could do with a larger hard drive and the like but come on. 12 months?

That was what I thought initially, but having thought even further I feel that around 3 months would actually do the trick. The likes of Microsoft and Google and maybe Adobe might not be hit too hard by a 3 month hiatus on the part of the buying public but computer manufacturers and retailers certainly will be. I think it might well put some of them out of business or, at least, in serious financial trouble. They might suddenly realise that shipping computers with pre-installed Microsoft or Adobe products is not good for business and STOP DOING IT.

That’s when Microsoft, Google and Adobe will feel the pinch, wake up to their unethical practices and realise that we just aren’t going to take this shit from the likes of them any more!

Comments ( 47 )

OH NO! Google’s unethical too! They’re my favorite. And I’ve done such a good job not paying attention to antigoogleness. Maybe I’ll have to read up on that.
26 April 2005, 10:16
I dare not to agree with your idea. Stop buying for a short while would’t do but harm.
Switching to linux/bsd would do better, much so. Very few people on earth really “need” a Windows PC. For the rest of us, the OS switch can be done in a second.
That would be the real step forward, and would act as a message to your companies, at the same time.

What’s wrong with google?
26 April 2005, 10:27
There’s nothing specifically wrong with Google, at the moment, but there is very little that you or I can do to influence them. Have you ever tried telling them that you don’t want your site referenced? Have you tried stopping their bots visiting your site? Who gave them permission to invade MY space in the first place? And let’s not forget the 911 fiasco when they falsified search results. Aren’t people’s memories short, or maybe selective?

As for switching to Linux etc. that’s all very well for those of us who have the skill to do it, or even have a modem that Linux will recognise, which counts me out. My point is that most people buy a PC or even Mac which has Windows on it along with probably an Adobe product and we aren’t given the choice to start with. People then tend to stick with what they are given either because they don’t have the skill/knowledge to change or just can’t be bothered with the hassle.

This is wrong and no amount of telling me what I should be doing after I’ve bought the damn thing makes it any better. It’s not the user that should be making up for the unethical practises of these companies. We should have the right to buy PCs or Macs with the operating system and software products we want not the ones we are given. Period.
26 April 2005, 11:02
Have you ever tried telling them that you don’t want your site referenced…
Have you tried stopping their bots visiting your site…

Successfully so.
http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/exclusion.html#robotstxt
26 April 2005, 11:24
I know that stuff but sometimes things don’t always work the way you expect them to.
26 April 2005, 11:40
??...buy PCs or Macs with the operating system…??
[Damn textile, how does it work?]

I agree for the PC (raw box) part.
As for the Mac, I’m in the row of those who think that you buy Apple because of, and thanks to, its OS. This sets the problem apart a bit. Anyway, should Photoshop not be available for Mac anymore, Mr. Jobs will probably find a clever solution, as always. And smartly win, as always :-)

For the linux part, just to be practical and effective: have you given a call to your nearest LUG? Or you prefer me to come over to England?
26 April 2005, 12:00
At the moment I’d prefer you to come to England Luigi. There are some little buttons below for simple textile markup but you will probably learn it eventually though it’s not necessary. HTML markup isn’t banned here, and are you aware that kirpi.it has a Google page ranking?
26 April 2005, 12:08
It’s not the user that should be making up for the unethical practises of these companies.

It is the user who should correct the errors of the producers/retailers:
a) for his/her own good;
b) to show the world the right way.

Who else should act? God, Bush, your friends,...?
You should, yourself!
Put your vote in the box. This is “democracy”...

Let them know: browse the net with a geko_on_linux browser and do not worry: the right people will “see” you, and understand.
26 April 2005, 12:18
You just wait till your blog goes public Luigi. You’d better do some English posts. Guess who’s coming to argue?
26 April 2005, 13:32
:-)
26 April 2005, 14:11
It is lways hard to get a computer without an Os installed. They make such a fuss. And the borkage that normally accompanies dual boot for linux is unbearable.
26 April 2005, 15:05
I have heard dual boot is a pain but I have to say I haven’t had an ounce of trouble with it. Can’t get on-line with Linux though. Well not yet anyways!
26 April 2005, 15:14
I couldn’t possibly switch to Linux only unless more software that I regularly use became available. As it is, if I switched to Linux, the only thing I’d still be able to reliably do is surf the net.

So you’ll all have to count me out of the boycott. ;)
26 April 2005, 15:36
I am still on Paint Shop Pro :)
26 April 2005, 16:28
I just hope that Macroadobemediasoft don’t produce a monstrosity like Cold Photoilluflashistratorshop Fusion.

I say get the latest Adobe and Macromedia toys now before they get mashed up. Adobe/Macromedia is bound to go Corel on us. They will assuredly suck.
26 April 2005, 16:33
word.
26 April 2005, 16:57
I have FireWorks and I’m sticking to it like glue. Haven’t the faintest idea what I’m doing with it half the time (can’t you tell?) but I’m not changing it any time soon.
26 April 2005, 17:07
Come to think of it I have several Serif products too. They are my get-out clause.
Word Jess??
26 April 2005, 17:10
FireWorks is Macromedia, no? ;)

And yeah, word. (And by that I mean I totally concur with webjones’ assertion.)
26 April 2005, 17:15
Jokai fan
Hmm, I guess the more direct consequences from the merger will be the loss of a ‘few more’ jobs, and the end of many of Macromedia product lines (i.e. Freehand). Why would Adobe want to two solutions for one problem in their lineup?

I guess their main interest is to gain control about Flash – I guess there’s no doubt that this is one of the most important internet standards.

Am I happy about that merger? Certainly not.
26 April 2005, 17:19
Yep it is indeed Macromedia but then I also have DreamWeaver and whilst I don’t use it much now, everything being in my database, the two of them fit together nicely, as you would expect, so I’m sticking with FW.
26 April 2005, 17:21
It’s not a done deal yet Jokai fan. Maybe we should all spam the shareholders?
26 April 2005, 17:24
Stuart – Oh yes, my point was that if you wanted to upgrade and there was an Adobe/Macromedia merger – well, it would “assuredly suck” (in the wise words of webjones).
26 April 2005, 17:44
Well I’m happy as is so bugger the upgrades. Might be a good time to download as many extensions as I can get though.
26 April 2005, 17:49
OT: If folks wait until linux has more software they use they are missing out. The great joy of Linux is that you do not encounter the bloated, bug ridden commercial monstrosities endured by most folk. And frankly the comment is unwise. There are Linux apps that can blow you away. The GIMP for one. My Mahjong game for another :) Mysql by default? Up to 16 simaltaneous desktops? Its hopeless if you need to print anything but who does ?
26 April 2005, 19:22
That Mahjong game is great but I do have an excellent Win version. I would love to go Linux, apps or no apps, but if I can’t get on-line it’s wasting my hard drive space.
26 April 2005, 19:48
Does Linux have any great vector apps? Video-editing software for DVD authoring? If not, my comment stands. :)

I tried Gimp years ago (Win version though) and it nowhere near compared to Photoshop (or even Paintshop Pro) in my book.

I have 2 machines – one of which I would like to make a Linux box. But I can’t go Linux all the way as things stand.
26 April 2005, 22:48
GIMP is now broadly equivalent to photoshop. And it does not cost 800 dollars or whatever. The media stuff is awesome, and is used by techie folk in the music, film , tv and similar industries. The real good stuff though are the hatfuls of text editors like VIM and stuff. I do not use it as much as I would like because I am not really skilled enough. But it always feels right as we are now all networked to use an Os designed for that purpose. The file paths alone make it worth having. None of the drive F:\ malarkey. You can map whole hard drives to a file path, and put them in your perl scripts and such. KDE 3 really rocks.
Sexier than macs by far. If you have more than one computer at home which many of us do all your files always turn up in the home dir wherever you are. Neat huh?
26 April 2005, 23:00
bj
Re: “I was going to suggest that the whole world stop buying computers for 12 months.” I once tried to organize a boycott of IE related CSS hacks for one day to try to bring MS to its knees re its rendering engine for the upcoming IE7. It was pointed out to me that everybody BUT microsoft would be hurt. Unfortunately I think the same applies here.

I’m worried about this merger. I love the current MM products, even with the problems DW has (and I’ve learned my way around every one!) I hope FW doesn’t go away, photoshop sucks for web graphics, and psp doesn’t have as many cool tools. Updates? I’m worried for sure. And yes, a few products are undoubtedly going to fall by the wayside, and I doubt they’ll be on the adobe side unfortunately. And right after I got that MM engineer to agree to improve the rendering engine in DW to emulate FF more closely re floats.

Re Google. I use the autoblink script from Threadwatch to keep google links off MY webpages- I didn’t notice anyone mentioning that little recent bit of web nazi-ism by the company who vowed to “do no harm.”
27 April 2005, 19:14
Welcome bj. I have both DW and FW though I only really use FW now with most of my site editing being server-side. I shall ensure it’s at the latest revision and grab all the free extensions I feel may be useful to me in the future, then I shall sit back and watch the developments. I’m not aware that Adobe has anything like DW and as FW integrates so closely with it I suspect they will have to keep it up to scratch or DW users will be up in arms. Of course they could decide to try and integrate Photoshop but somehow I don’t think it will work. We shall see.

You will have to enlighten me about Google links bj cuz to be honest I don’t know what you are talking about which is probably why they haven’t been mentioned yet.
27 April 2005, 20:24
photoshop sucks for web graphics

How so?? If you mean for things like roll-overs and animations, then you’d use Image Ready, not Photoshop.

Stuart – Adobe has GoLive (I’ve not used it, but I heard it isn’t very good).

I just started playing around with MM Freehand and it seems interesting (and very very different from Illustrator). I’ve not tried FireWorks yet as I’m pretty attached to and familiar with Photoshop. ;)
27 April 2005, 21:09
It’s “stick-with-what-you-know” time I think Jess with graphics aps. It suits us both. If I want anything half-way decent I just ask you. Whilst I haven’t tried any Adobe web products I’m reliably told they suck big time. I think the main attraction of Macromedia for Adobe is Flash plus the chance to finally get into web products properly.
27 April 2005, 21:31
Oh I dunno – I like learning new graphics software (it helps me avoid the accusation of being a Photoshop/Illustrator elitist). If I find that MM Freehand suits me better than Illustrator does, I’ll be the first to admit it (after much weeping and teeth gnashing, of course – I kid! Hehe).

I’m sure you’re right on the Adobe-Flash issue. :nod:
27 April 2005, 22:46
Hey Stuart, I just back from my vacation….. looks like I miss some action around here?

Of course, you know I’m a hardcore LINUX user. From my point of view, I have none….well, none that causes me any worries out of this merger, (like I care anyways) and watching everyone running to the hills becuase of it. In my neck of the woods, there is a very large open-source community, and I don’t think any of us realy care about what the MS Windows and Mac users do. My machines are pure UNIX base OP Systems and they work at 100% top rate. The crap that hits the Internet in the form of SPAM, viruses, Worms, Spyware, etc… does not realy effect me, only that I see the net getting slow sometimes while MS Windows users are weighted down with this garbage!

Windows is homogenious to the computing world and therefore is the number one target for your pocketbook. People pay big money to have an OP System that is idiot-proof. That is where everything goes downhill… The less you know, and the more you want, in terms of reliabilty, the more trouble MS Windows users get into.

“Why would you want to buy a car that you cannot look under the hood…” Linux Magazine 2001

I guess what I’m try to say here is, that already I can go into unix websites and veiw formats that are unix only. Security is a issue that we don’t take lightly. Even on my web site, I have LINUX *apps that are of no use to a MS Window user. Why? They can’t get the plugins to view the format becuase they (micro-soft) wants you to pay for it…. If there is no profit from it, then why would they build a plugin for it?

I say keep buying those products. But remember: you do have a choice!

=)
27 April 2005, 23:51
I’m currently working on coverting to Linux and it looks like it’s going to be very painless now.

Check out: www.mepis.com (this is a live boot version so you can check it out before installing)

I was using fedora, but had a bunch of trouble with it. This Mepis has pretty much everything I use right one one CD. It’s definitely worth your time looking into (and maybe your modem will work too).

Switching to Linux (and using other open source softwares) and helping other do the same is me doing my small part.
28 April 2005, 03:08
Photoshop DOES NOT suck for web graphics! Photoshop is a most versatile image tool. You can optimize the crap out of your graphics and images.

Rollovers and such should be done with CSS, not graphics.

I personally like the combination of Photshop and Illustrator – and I prefer them as discreet applications. That is why I’m apprehensive about Adobe/Macromedia trying to create a “Swiss Army Knife” application.
28 April 2005, 03:14
Just to avoid any confusion I, me, myself wasn’t referring to Photoshop but to their pure web products.

Also, as of last night, my hard drive has now reverted to pure WinXP SP2. I have to say this modem problem has totally ticked me off and it seems to be a problem with the kernel which means it really doesn’t matter which flavour of Linux I try. I think I shall steer clear of it for the time being and revisit it when I have a new machine. I like Linux. I don’t have a problem with Linux, my modem does.
28 April 2005, 08:57
My hard drive has now reverted to pure WinXP.

Last night, right when I was looking for the most simple way for you to have debian running on your machine you moved the right step.
The first one of three, that is.

Now just two more moves for you:
1) Delete XP as well.
2) Buy another modem on ebay (they’re rather cheap, more and more).

You’ll be a free man within short :-)

[Seriously told Stuart, I would personally weight the whole linux story much more than a small plastic modem box…]
28 April 2005, 10:57
I’ll get there eventually Luigi, have no fear, but a new modem, regardless of how cheap they are now, has the same priority as a new PC. It will happen when I have the spare cash to do it. You must remember that at the moment I am job-hunting. Spare cash is something that doesn’t exist for me just now. I had enough problems getting enough “spare cash” to renew my hosting at the beginning of this month. I am patient though. It WILL happen.
28 April 2005, 11:30
I am not sure about this. I bought a new modem on my last machine pre bb. Would it work? No way.
And I now have more knowledege ogf linux config than is strictly necessary or useful.
28 April 2005, 14:51
Robin
Jess, you may want to check out CrossOver Office from Codeweavers, it allows you to run Windows applications under Linux. Photoshop, words, excel to name a few works fine on CrossOver office, so there really is no need for Windows to run these applications.

http://www.codeweavers.com/
28 April 2005, 18:00
There you go Jess. Thanks for that Robin and welcome to The Bomb Site.
28 April 2005, 18:06
Plus for those folks who insist / need he likes of Excel Linux has loads of alternatives. Open Office to mention the biggest.
28 April 2005, 19:00
I’ve already had a good look at Open Office, Win version of course, but it looks like an excellent product. I know of several companies using it full-time. I do try to get as much open-source software as I can though it’s sometimes not too widely advertised that certain products exist. I think that’s something that developers need to sort out, getting it out there and known about. I am just as likely to stumble across something by accident as be looking for it specifically.
28 April 2005, 19:52
Robin
Thanks for the Welcome Stuart.

An interesting detail in Adobe buying up Macromedia, is that they recently decided to integrate Opera in the Adobe Creative Suite 2. While I’m not keen on industry giants dictating what the web should look like. I think that Adobe will be able to act as a counterweight to Microsoft. Something they will be even more keen to do now that Microsoft decide to compete with the PDF format with the planned introduction of Metro. And guess what, Metro is to be heavily integrated into the Longhorn OS. Don’t you just love how they force you to have a program installed wether you want it or not.

More about Opera getting integrated in Adobe:
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/04/04/

More about Metro:
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Goes_After_PDF_with_Metro/1114537406
29 April 2005, 10:29
Thanks again Robin. I shall go read. And thanks a second time for supplying that really long url with no white-space. No really. It has forced me to go CSS hunting this morning and I believe I have cured it, not only for standards-compliant browsers, but also for IE5.5 and upwards. Anyone with an IE version earlier than that really needs to stay off the Internet. If you want an explanation you’ll have to ask. I don’t believe I’m “geeky” enough to post an article about it.
29 April 2005, 12:40
Thank you for the info on CrossOver Office, Robin. I read on their site that they anticipate it to be able to run 95% of all Win apps by the end of 2005. :)
29 April 2005, 18:44

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